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1842 second model

 

 

Steel cross guard identifies this as 1842, the earlier 1840 has a brass cross guard

 

Right ricasso marks

 

Right hilt showing leaf spring locking mechanism, the later 1842/59 has a locking mechanism operated by a coil spring

 

 

heavy scabbard has heavy frog strap

French 1842 with what I believed was Chinese script on the cross guard, it is however on closer examination and cleaning actually the original numbers struck out using a X stamp, a case of excess expectation on my part. Luckily I didn't break the bank

France M1866 .jpg (50096 bytes) Mle 1842/59 bayonet, with internal coil spring locking. Much heavier blade than the 1866 and a "rough" cast iron cross guard instead of brass cross guard of 1842.

An unmarked 1866 style bayonet, which bears several small differences from standard French issue:

Blade is heavier being much thicker, with a completely flat spine, I am wondering if this is a modified 1842 type blade. Weight difference is noticeable on picking up the blade

 

Adjustment screw on the muzzle ring has square shoulders and not the rounded shoulders of a standard 1866

 

Ricasso is longer than any other example I have of the 1866 and fullers are earlier squared style

 

 

Cordons are deeper with much rounder profile

 

Quillion ball is less pronounced than normal

 

Slot appears shorter than normal 1866 but this is all down to a slightly shorter and more rounded pommel.

Any ideas gratefully accepted.

Belgian made 1866 with French serial number on cross guard, ricasso mark is Crown over CB or CH
Reeves Birmingham UK made 1866

 

Grips of Reeves made 1866

1871made Chat bayonet

 

 

inspection marks on ricasso

 

Z serialed show it was issued as a side arm rather than as a bayonet on a rifle

Christofle made 1866 with Z serial, interesting inspection marks on ricasso and cross guard. Scabbard has hand painted olive drab finish, thought to be period, scabbard has no markings

Interesting conversion of 1866 with wooden inserts into modified grips, held by brass screws. Both fullers are inscribed by original collector who identifies the bayonet as a French model 1874 Gras, the inscription is dated 1877 in Frankfurt. Bayonet is R serialed, frog staple has been turned 90 degrees.

An unknown 1866(?) with a makers mark of AC (unknown maker) but no other markings. the hilt shows evidence of having been painted green a long time ago, there was also evidence of black paint on the cross guard and the scabbard

E serialed 1866, indicating a Mutzig arsenal issue weapon, it has however no spine script and the ricasso is marked with a figure 5 on one side and an unknown makers mark on the other. The mark may indicate Belgian manufacture. The rivets on the the hilt are counter sunk brass rather than the steel ones used on normal 1866's

I have also picked up a completely unmarked 1866 Chassepot type bayonet with German style squared fullers, no inspection marks, makers marks or anything on either the scabbard or the bayonet itself.

Matching original number son 1886

 

April 72 made

 

 

Renumbered with Z serial showing its use as a side arm

 

Funcke made

 

1866 crossguard

France M1866 with rough scabbard.jpg (50852 bytes) 1866 Chassepot  back of blade marked "Mre d'armes de St Etiene Fevrier 1874". Right side of blade marked with M and G in circles, left side of cross guard marked AB97047. Quillion stamped with crowned D and two other stamps 
France M1866   .jpg (56720 bytes) 1866 Chassepot Right side of blade marked with M and G in circles, left side of cross guard marked O 6090. Quillion stamped with crowned G and two other stamps. Scabbard painted black. stamped B 88006
FRANCE_1866_Chassepot_chromed.jpg (85052 bytes)

Chromed 1866 Chassepot 

Early production 1866 with the rivet in the second cordon, rather than the 3rd as in all later made ones. The date is not visible on the blade due to the surface corrosion, however it is probably prior to December 1866

Defense Nationale bayonet made using a modified side arm sword blade. This one has a distinctive 3 fuller blade

A 1866 Chassepot style bayonet with a brass plug filling the location that the bottom rivet would have taken, it is possible that this is a late FP war version which were reputedly made without the rivet to make production easier but I have not been able to confirm this Identified as a Defense National model made during the Franco Prussian war, the more normal ones without lower rivet, have a dimple one one side without a hole on the other side, this one is different because of the brass infill

 

Brass plug doesn't  penetrate the hilt

Defense Nationale bayonet using an 1866 style hilt and a re-used double edged sword blade

 

Chassepot style muzzle ring with cut out, and Remington style un chamfered slot

 

Bottom rivet is missing and shows only a dimple where the hole would be drilled

 

 

Serial on cross guard

 

Makers mark "U" on the ricasso

France Remington rehilt of Funcke blade.jpg (62090 bytes)

Remington re-hilt of earlier Funcke blade 

Belgian makers mark on an 1866 Chassepot bayonet, Notice pommel differences to the normal 1866 model

 

Pommel has different shape than normal Chassepot blades with a sharper beak and  more rounded  back. Although this bayonet has a French serial who was it originally for

 

Z serials were used to denote bayonets issued without rifles as side arms

Doubled barrel muzzle ring, probably a hunting blade rather than a Franco Prussian war period model but .....

 

 

All brass hilt and crossguard, colour is lighter than the normal 1866 hilt. There is signs of verdigris on inside of muzzle ring showing it has some age. It is thought that the spring and lock stud have been replaced.

 

Blade shows 8bre 1868 date but no arsenal marks. Is this a reject chassepot blade re-used

 

Slot is the un-chamfered Remington style

 

 Stahelin and Bitschelin made 1866 Jan 1868, with S prefixed French serial on crossguard

German Weyersberg made 1866 with U prefixed serial on crossguard

france 1866 Reeves ricasso marked.jpg (264119 bytes)

1866 with Reeves marked ricasso but no French serial

 

 

 

Defense Nationale 1866 ordered from the UK maker William Millward, investigation has shown that they arrived to  late to take part in the Franco Prussian war, and were unpacked after the war. Most are found without any French Markings other than a serial number on the pommel end (not seen on this example). This is not a common maker

 

 

 

 

UK made model has a slightly smaller and rounder hilt

 

this results in what appears to be a shorter slot, examination shows the difference to all be behind the locking bar and due to the pommel shape

Chassepot Gendarmerie Socket, apparently the rarest of the three versions

Daudeteau bayonet, essentially similar to the 1886 Lebel with the addition of a groove down the side of the hilt to accept the cleaning road. This has been fitted with a brass riveted Lebel frog which has had an approved slit in the bottom of the frog to allow it to be used on the Gras.

1874 Gras with muzzle ring filled with brass threaded plug

 

Stud is permanently fixed as adjustment screw on top of muzzle ring has been riveted

 

This conversion is to allow the bayonet to be used as an earth for telegraphers, since it no longer fixes to the rifle the telegraphers must have only used it as a sid arm.

FRANCE_1874_Gras.jpg (83935 bytes)

 1874 Gras 

France M1874 Gras .jpg (48406 bytes) M1874 Gras
France M1874 Gras.jpg (45844 bytes) M1874 Gras with cut outs in scabbard (for Scottish highland dancing, cuts allow scabbard and blade to be joined at right angles)

Kropatschek bayonet made for France by Steyr in Austria. Similar to the 1874 Gras the back of the handle is straight and not humped, it is also Similar to the Rumanian Peabody but the hilt is shorter. This example has a Gras scabbard as evident from the scabbard serial. The back of the spine appears to have an anchor stamp which is normally seen on the crossguard.

Kropatschek bayonet made by Steyr in Austria (as evident from spine inscription and press stud mark),  This has no serial number on the crossguard and is therefore a stores weapon kept to be marked to match the rifle when replacing a issued blade. The scabbard serial may show scabbard is a correct Kropatschek scabbard as opposed to a Gras one.

France Lebel.jpg (48447 bytes) M1886 Lebel
France Lebel M1886-93-16.jpg (50633 bytes) M1886/93/16 with quillion removed
1886 leather covered to convert to swagger stick

 

Professional leather covering

France M1892 Mannlicher Berthier.jpg (52193 bytes) M1892 Mannlicher Berthier

France shortened M1886 Lebel.jpg (54731 bytes)

Shortened M1886 Lebel

Four variations on the MAS spike bayonet showing differences in the tips and the knurling rings

Early MAS 36 bayonet without the later hole added to allow "joined'" rifles to be separated. The hole was added after trainees linked two rifles by using the bayonet catches

France Cut down UK 1907.jpg (52200 bytes)

Fighting knife made from cut down Remington 1913 bayonet

france 1949-56.jpg (64672 bytes) 1949-56 MAS