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FRANCE
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1842 second model
Steel cross guard identifies this as 1842, the earlier 1840 has a brass
cross guard
Right ricasso marks
Right hilt showing leaf spring locking mechanism, the later
1842/59 has a locking mechanism operated by a coil spring
heavy scabbard has heavy frog strap |
  | French 1842 with what I believed
was Chinese script on the cross guard, it is however on closer examination and cleaning actually the original numbers struck out using a X stamp, a case of excess expectation on my part. Luckily I didn't break the bank |
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Mle 1842/59 bayonet, with internal coil spring locking. Much
heavier blade than the 1866 and a "rough" cast iron cross guard
instead of brass cross guard of 1842. |
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An unmarked 1866 style bayonet, which bears several
small differences from standard French issue:
Blade is heavier being much thicker, with a
completely flat spine, I am wondering if this is a modified 1842 type blade.
Weight difference is noticeable on picking up the blade
Adjustment screw on the muzzle ring has square
shoulders and not the rounded shoulders of a standard 1866
Ricasso is longer than any other example I have of
the 1866 and fullers are earlier squared style
Cordons are deeper with much rounder profile
Quillion ball is less pronounced than normal
Slot appears shorter than normal 1866 but this is
all down to a slightly shorter and more rounded pommel.
Any ideas gratefully accepted. |
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Belgian made 1866 with French serial number on cross guard, ricasso mark is
Crown over CB or CH
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Reeves Birmingham UK made 1866
Grips of Reeves made 1866 |
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1871made Chat bayonet
inspection marks on ricasso
Z serialed show it was issued as a side arm rather
than as a bayonet on a rifle
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Christofle made 1866 with Z serial, interesting
inspection marks on ricasso and cross guard. Scabbard has hand painted olive
drab finish, thought to be period, scabbard has no markings
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Interesting conversion of 1866 with wooden inserts
into modified grips, held by brass screws. Both fullers are inscribed by
original collector who identifies the bayonet as a French model 1874 Gras,
the inscription is dated 1877 in Frankfurt. Bayonet is R serialed, frog
staple has been turned 90 degrees.
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An unknown 1866(?) with a makers mark of AC
(unknown maker) but no other markings. the hilt shows evidence of having
been painted green a long time ago, there was also evidence of black paint
on the cross guard and the scabbard |
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E serialed 1866, indicating a Mutzig arsenal issue
weapon, it has however no spine script and the ricasso is marked with a
figure 5 on one side and an unknown makers mark on the other. The mark may
indicate Belgian manufacture. The rivets on the the hilt are counter sunk
brass rather than the steel ones used on normal 1866's
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I have also picked up a completely unmarked 1866
Chassepot type bayonet with German style squared fullers, no inspection
marks, makers marks or anything on either the scabbard or the bayonet
itself.
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Matching original number son 1886
April 72 made
Renumbered with Z serial showing its use as a side arm Funcke
made 1866 crossguard |
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1866 Chassepot back of blade marked
"Mre d'armes de St Etiene Fevrier 1874".
Right side of blade marked with M and G in circles, left side of cross
guard marked AB97047. Quillion stamped with crowned D and two other
stamps |
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1866 Chassepot Right side of blade marked with M and G in circles, left
side of cross guard marked O 6090. Quillion stamped with crowned G and
two other stamps. Scabbard painted black. stamped B 88006 |
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Chromed 1866 Chassepot
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  | Early production 1866 with the rivet in the second cordon, rather than the 3rd as in all later made ones. The date is not visible on the blade due to the surface corrosion, however it is probably prior to December 1866 |
  | Defense Nationale bayonet made using a modified side arm sword blade. This one has a distinctive 3 fuller blade |
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A 1866 Chassepot style bayonet with a brass plug filling the location that
the bottom rivet would have taken, it is possible that this is a late FP war
version which were reputedly made without the rivet to make production
easier but I have not been able to confirm this
Identified as a Defense National model made during the Franco Prussian war,
the more normal ones without lower rivet, have a dimple one one side without
a hole on the other side, this one is different because of the brass infill Brass plug doesn't penetrate the hilt |
     | Defense Nationale bayonet using an 1866 style hilt and a re-used double edged sword blade Chassepot style muzzle ring with cut out, and Remington style un chamfered slot Bottom rivet is missing and shows only a dimple where the hole would be drilled Serial on cross guard Makers mark "U" on the ricasso |
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Remington re-hilt of earlier Funcke blade |
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Belgian makers mark on an 1866 Chassepot bayonet, Notice pommel differences to the
normal 1866 model Pommel has different shape than normal Chassepot blades with a sharper beak
and more rounded back. Although this bayonet has a French serial
who was it originally for
Z serials were used to denote bayonets issued without rifles as side arms |
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Doubled barrel muzzle ring, probably a hunting blade rather than a Franco
Prussian war period model but .....
All brass hilt and crossguard, colour is lighter than the normal 1866 hilt.
There is signs of verdigris on inside of muzzle ring showing it has some
age. It is thought that the spring and lock stud have been replaced.
Blade shows 8bre 1868 date but no arsenal marks. Is this a reject chassepot
blade re-used
Slot is the un-chamfered Remington style
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Stahelin and Bitschelin made 1866 Jan 1868, with S prefixed French
serial on crossguard |
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German Weyersberg made 1866 with
U prefixed serial on crossguard |
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1866 with Reeves marked ricasso
but no French serial |
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Defense Nationale 1866 ordered from the UK maker
William Millward, investigation has shown that they arrived to late to
take part in the Franco Prussian war, and were unpacked after the war. Most are
found without any French Markings other than a serial number on the pommel end
(not seen on this example). This is not a common maker
UK made model has a slightly smaller and rounder
hilt
this results in what appears to be a shorter slot,
examination shows the difference to all be behind the locking bar and due to the
pommel shape |
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Chassepot Gendarmerie Socket, apparently the rarest
of the three versions |
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Daudeteau bayonet, essentially
similar to the 1886 Lebel with the addition of a groove down the side of
the hilt to accept the cleaning road. This has been fitted with a brass
riveted Lebel frog which has had an approved slit in the bottom of the
frog to allow it to be used on the Gras. |
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1874 Gras with muzzle ring filled with brass
threaded plug
Stud is permanently fixed as adjustment screw
on top of muzzle ring has been riveted
This conversion is to allow the bayonet to be
used as an earth for telegraphers, since it no longer fixes to the rifle
the telegraphers must have only used it as a sid arm. |
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1874 Gras
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M1874 Gras |
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M1874 Gras with cut outs in scabbard (for Scottish highland dancing,
cuts allow scabbard and blade to be joined at right angles) |
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Kropatschek bayonet made for France by Steyr in
Austria. Similar to the 1874 Gras the back of the handle is straight and not
humped, it is also Similar to the Rumanian Peabody but the hilt is shorter. This
example has a Gras scabbard as evident from the scabbard serial. The back of the
spine appears to have an anchor stamp which is normally seen on the crossguard. |
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Kropatschek bayonet made by Steyr in Austria (as
evident from spine inscription and press stud mark), This has no serial
number on the crossguard and is therefore a stores weapon kept to be marked to
match the rifle when replacing a issued blade. The scabbard serial may show
scabbard is a correct Kropatschek scabbard as opposed to a Gras one. |
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M1886 Lebel |
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M1886/93/16 with quillion removed |
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1886 leather covered to convert to swagger stick
Professional leather covering |
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M1892 Mannlicher Berthier |
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Shortened M1886 Lebel |
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Four variations on the MAS spike
bayonet showing differences in the tips and the knurling rings |
  | Early MAS 36 bayonet without the later hole added to allow "joined'" rifles to be separated. The hole was added after trainees linked two rifles by using the bayonet catches |
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Fighting knife made from cut down Remington 1913 bayonet
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1949-56 MAS |