Knife Bayonet 6  . 

TURKEY

I have given Turkey a page to itself due to the huge number of available Turkish conversions

 Note:- click on image for larger version of images

 

TURKEY

The ASFA commonly found on the hilt of  Turkish bayonets is the stamp indicting its manufacture/conversion by the army arsenal that came into existence in 1929, converted blades without the ASFA stamp were converted before or after this time. The Turks converted large numbers of bayonets to fit their own weapons, you can find most variations of WWI German made bayonets, Rumanian, Yugoslavian, Czechoslovak and British (also Australian). They also converted their own 1890 and 1903 pattern bayonets. Many were converted to the "1935" pattern to fit a Spanish version of the standard Mauser rifle, these typically have a 10" (250mm) blade and cross guard modifications to mount onto this rifle. Some of these blades were also converted to mount onto the US M1 rifle, these typically have a straight sided crossguard.

Collecting Turkish bayonets is a field on its own with a huge number of variations, with their being variations within the variations. Many UK 1907 pattern bayonets are sold as Gallipoli captures, although there were substantial numbers of captured blades one needs to study the markings closely to rule out the large numbers that were bought in the late 20's (you will see 20's rework marks on the blades or manufacture dates after 1917), additionally Australian marks do not necessarily indicate use in Gallipoli, I have an Australian marked blade but it was made after the battle and would most likely be part of a shipment post WWI to the Turkish allies.

In the19060's the Turkish introduced the FN FAL rifle into service and made their own distinctive bayonet. Often sold as an Ersatz German Bayonet these twin ring bayonets come in four slightly different styles but all are made after the 60's and not WWI conversions.

If you want to know more on these blades then get the ebook by OTTO at www.ebayonet.com it is the best reference there is and gets regular updates

Mauser Milanovich sabre has been shortened to fit with 1935 pattern blades

 

 

Original makers mark still on ricasso

 

 

Cross guard modified to mount on 1935 pattern Mauser rifle

Ersatz bayonet (EB22) shortened to 10" blade but otherwise unmodified

 

Left hilt of above, blade is unfullered

Ersatz bayonet (EB25a) shortened to 10" blade but otherwise unmodified. It is not known if the removal of the muzzle ring was carried out by the Germans or the Turks

 

Left hilt of above, blade is unfullered

Ersatz bayonet (EB34) shortened to 10" blade but otherwise unmodified

"Bent" muzzle ring is original to this model of ersatz bayonet

Left hilt of above, blade is fullered

 

1935 Leaf Spring model

turkey 1935 leaf spring.jpg (90076 bytes)

Close up of External spring 1935 

turkey romanian mannlicher conversion.jpg (75382 bytes)

Rumanian Mannlicher conversion 

turk ersatz cut down 2 pt cross guard.jpg (84485 bytes)

German Ersatz cut down. Two part cross guard with fullers 

German Ersatz cut down,

turkey janzen 194-2 hilt and scabbard.jpg (71401 bytes)

Cross guard moved back up hilt, rather than shortened hilt as is more normal. Close up of modified hilt. Scabbard has Leather throat piece welded to steel body 

turkish ersatz 1.jpg (82434 bytes)turkish ersatz 1 grip numbers.jpg (97270 bytes)

1915 Ersatz German cut down with fullers 

 

Above blade showing Turkish character cross guard numbers 

turkish ersatz 2.jpg (96675 bytes)

1915 Ersatz German cut down without fullers 

turkey 1935.jpg (117390 bytes)

M1935 new made bayonet 

trurk 1935 with frog.jpg (77839 bytes)

1935 with frog 

turkey 1935 convert.jpg (121341 bytes)

M1935 conversion of 1903 model 

Turkish shortened s98 .jpg (71586 bytes)Turkish shortened s98 czech scabbard.jpg (122898 bytes)

Shortened German S98 quillback bayonet 

 

Scabbard of above, a shortened and re throated Czech "Mauser" scabbard

turkey ground blade 98-05 with sawback.jpg (100450 bytes)

Shortened and ground saw backed German 98/05

 

Close up of blade on ground sawback 

turkey ground blade 98-05.jpg (103849 bytes)Turkish 190-3 cude grinding.jpg (114140 bytes)

Shortened and ground German 98/05 

 

Close up of the badly ground end of the above blade 

Turkish 1935.jpg (62539 bytes)

1935 using modified German 98/05 scabbard

Turkish 194-1.jpg (83207 bytes)

Conversion by shortening and grinding of German Ersatz M1916 bayonet 13.5mm muzzle ring indicates this conversion is for the M1 Garand rifle (thanks Otto)

Turkish 194-1 hilt close up.jpg (67248 bytes)

Converted Ersatz

 

Close up of above blade showing crude welding of new cross guard onto bayonet, and the small muzzle ring diameter

Turkish Ersatz green painted.jpg (80761 bytes)

Shortened German all steel Ersatz 

turkey czech vz23 short modified.jpg (81960 bytes)

Czech 1895, crossguard has been modified 

Comparison of hilt length with normal VZ24 

 

Modified VZ23 cross guard for 1935 rifle

Turkey Czech vz23 short.jpg (76938 bytes)Turkey Czech vz23 short ricasso stamp.jpg (123251 bytes)

Czech VZ23 unmodified 

 

Ricasso marks on VZ23 

turkey German Ersatz EB28.jpg (90498 bytes)

German Ersatz Carter EB28 

 

Hilt markings on above blade

turkey 1916 ersatz cross guard marks.jpg (53225 bytes)

German made 1916 Ersatz for Turkey Crossguard marks and indent 

Converted UK 1907 pattern  scabbard showing AT3 stamp of Yugoslav based scabbard 

Turkey 1903 shortened.jpg (77875 bytes)

Shortened 1903, with intact quillion 

turkey s98 98.05 sawback removed.jpg (84827 bytes)

1935 pattern conversions of German S98 and S98/05 pattern sawbacks. both have only partial removal of sawback, and show signs of the hilts being shortened, resulting in longer ricasso's

Turkey 71 84.jpg (77228 bytes)

German 71/84 with added sawback - non original to blade as it is too short in total lengthened number of teeth to be an originally made sawback

Turkey 71 84 german marks.jpg (97492 bytes)

1888 issue marks on 71/84

Turkey 71 84 german turkish marks.jpg (90815 bytes)

German acceptance marks on pommel, and Turkish serial on crossguard

Turkey 71 84 throat damage.jpg (48421 bytes)

Saw back has been on the blade for some time as there is typical throat damage from sawback insertion into scabbard

Australian made 1907

1907 Pattern marks on Ricasso

Australian makers mark and converted crossguard

Turkey converted 1907.jpg (85973 bytes)

UK 1907 converted to '35 standard bayonet

Turkey converted 1907 27 date stamp.jpg (94804 bytes)

1927 marks on blade show this is post war purchase and not WWI captured blade, bayonet is originally made 1915

Shortened UK 1907, this bayonet shows a 1945 manufacture date so shows that the 1935 model; continued to be produced after WWII

Raised muzzle ring and shaved pommel

Scabbard uses the throat from a UK scabbard brazed into the body of a shortened German 98/05 scabbard

Scabbard is not the late crimped scabbard

WSC S294 marks of WWII production Wilkinson manufactured bayoent, date shows this to be a 1945 produced models

Turkey converted yugo long VZ.jpg (84486 bytes)

Yugoslav VZ long bayonet converted to '35 standard

Turkey converted yugo long VZ BT3 marks.jpg (93411 bytes)

BT3 arsenal marks on converted VZ bayonet

Turkey converted 05 for czech VZ rifle.jpg (77506 bytes)

98/05 nA conversion, I am assuming that the new ring fits Czech 1922 rifle 

Turkey converted 05 for czech VZ rifle new ring.jpg (88249 bytes)

Mauser blade marks on 1918 made 98/05 with added muzzle ring

Turkey converted 05 mS for czech VZ rifle.jpg (76473 bytes)

98/05nA mS sawbacked butcher blade conversion to '35 standard, probably for the Czech rifle

Turkey converted 05 mS for czech VZ rifle new ring.jpg (88807 bytes)

Mauser blade marks on 1917 made 98/05 sawback with added muzzle ring

Turk conversion square fullers.jpg (94803 bytes)

Squared fuller 1935 from unknown blade

Turkish 190-3.jpg (95062 bytes)

Converted from German M16 Ersatz by shortening and grinding original shape would be as a German 98/05 

turky 1935.jpg (93150 bytes)

M1935 new made bayonet 

1935 model with a large ASFA stamp on the hilt, much larger than the normal ASFA on the pommel and not commonly seen

Turkey twin ring ersatz 1.jpg (105161 bytes)

Twin ringed for FAL with fullers also available with an un fullered blade

Turkey twin ring ersatz notched cross guard.jpg (81454 bytes)

Notched muzzle ring on twin ring bayonet. Have fullered and un fullered versions with this ring 

Garand model made by adding an additional plate onto the existing crossguard of a 1935 pattern bayonet, this new plate has a smaller off centre hole designed to mate with the Garand flash hider

added 12/10/2002

The added plate is pined into position on the existing cross guard

added 12/10/2002

Turkey twin ring ersatz straight cross guard.jpg (106421 bytes)

Straight muzzle ring on twin ring bayonet. Have fullered and un fullered versions with this ring 

Cut down 98/05 with added muzzle ring and removed sawback

added 9/8/02

Added muzzle ring and showing signs of removed sawback

Turkey 98 05 modified without ring.jpg (139598 bytes)

Shortened German 98/05 without the normal muzzle ring addition

1935 Mauser bayonet modified to fit n the US M1 Garand rifle

 

Spacer with small muzzle ring added to original cross guard.

 

 

Frog for US webbing

 

 

1935 made by converting a WWI German brass hilted ersatz by adding a new cross guard approximately 20mm back from its original position. Very crude brazing holds on the steel cross guard to the brass hilt. For comparison the bottom picture shows an unmodified original German bayonet with original cast on muzzle ring

WWI produced German 84/98

 

 

Blade shows heavy grinding

 

 

Back edge of blade ahs date removed

 

 

Original makers mark

A collection of shortened 1907's without any further modifications, indicating that they were used on SMLE rifles, the dates on the blades and the other indicators such as the late pattern scabbards with compressed throat fittings indicate that the SMLE was used post WWII by Turkey. Blades are both UK and Australian made and examples have been noted by all manufacturers including Remington and Mole

 

Lithgow made 10 21

Late production scabbard with compression fitted throat

Blades come with spear point and "bowie" point

"Bowie" pointed

This blade showed a double Lithgow stamping on the blade

This scabbard has been cut short and the bottom stitched without replacing the chape

Hand stitched scabbard

1919 Lithgow

Canadian acceptance mark on pommel

South African acceptance mark

Could this be a 1MD marking?

Australian 2MD marked with matching unit marked scabbard throat

Australian 3MD marked with matching unit marked scabbard throat

 

Australian 4MD marked

Australian 5MD marked

Australian 6D^D marked - Tasmania

Steel scabbard

When shortening this one the leather ahs been reversed giving a seam up the rear of the scabbard

Steel scabbards use the 1907 throat welded to a new steel body